Today we’re talking to Ashley Goodall, author, consultant, and former SVP at Cisco. We discuss why treating change as a goal is actually problematic, the psychological stressors that a shifting environment has on people, and why the change being brought on by new technology is being rejected by the masses.

All of this right here, right now, on the Modern CTO Podcast! 

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About Ashley Goodall

I am a leadership expert, consultant, and author, and have spent my career exploring large organizations from the inside. I look for the lessons from the real world that help people and teams thrive, and that make work a more human place for all of the humans in it. I’m currently working on my second book, THE PROBLEM WITH CHANGE, which will be published in 2024.

I am the co-author, with Marcus Buckingham, of NINE LIES ABOUT WORK: A Freethinking Leader’s Guide to the Real World (Harvard Business Review Press, April 2019)—which was selected as the best management book of 2019 by Strategy + Business and one of Amazon’s best business and leadership books of 2019. I am also the author of two cover stories in the Harvard Business Review: The Feedback Fallacy (March/April 2019)—which was Harvard Business Review’s most popular article of 2019—and Reinventing Performance Management (April 2015).

My first experiences of teams and leadership were as a student musician and conductor. I was fascinated by the unspoken understanding between people playing together and carried this fascination into the corporate world. I most recently spent six years as a Senior Vice President at Cisco, where I led organizations focused on leadership, on teams, and on research, and which took on some of the most challenging questions about work. What is special about the best teams? Why do we follow one leader and not another? How can we measure our experience at work reliably? And how can we take what matters most to people and embed in into our people practices and systems?

The new approaches I have introduced address everything from performance management, to feedback, to team activation technology, to real-time team intelligence, to social network mapping, to strengths-based leadership—and together these challenge much of the conventional wisdom of work today.

Joel Beasley

Joel Beasley founded the Modern CTO Podcast in 2017 while writing his book, the Modern CTO book, with the goal of interviewing CTOs and sharing their experiences with others in the tech community.

Joel’s conversational style and insightful questions quickly gained traction, attracting high-profile guests such as Microsoft’s CTO, Kevin Scott, and T-Mobile’s CIO, Cody Stanford. With each episode, the podcast’s popularity continued to grow, and soon, Joel found himself with a waiting list of future guests.

Today, the Modern CTO Podcast has become the number one leadership and tech podcast in the world, with over 150k active listeners, including CTOs, lead developers, and rising tech leaders. Joel’s commitment to creating a conversational atmosphere for his guests to share their experiences has inspired a new generation of leaders and innovators.

As the success of the podcast grew, Joel founded ProSeries Media, a podcast production company that helps companies worldwide create their own podcasts. With a team of producers, content creators, and podcast bookers, ProSeries Media produces over ten shows, providing a platform for companies to connect with their audience and share their expertise.

Through his work on the Modern CTO Podcast and ProSeries Media, Joel Beasley has become a respected voice in the tech industry, inspiring others to share their knowledge and insights with the wider community. His passion for creating engaging content that informs, inspires, and entertains has made him a sought-after speaker and advisor on all things tech.



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